If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. “But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt…

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  1. RJ Dawson says:

    Yes, I can certainly relate. It amazes me still how the Lord can make it so clear where you stand with Him, and how He blesses a person with spiritual fruit and anointing, and how it can be so obvious that even non-believers see it, but most official churchmen apparently remain blind as bats. Of course, I found out a long time ago that most are not blind at all but feel threatened by the real Christians in their midst who are anointed by the Lord and dedicated to the Lord, and who are the Lord’s sheep and not their sheep. They know they can’t extend their control to the Lord’s real disciples and it drives them nuts.

    All situations are different and I am not saying this to cast aspersions on particular people but to express a truth about religious spirits and control spirits. Those under their sway only want people around them they know they can control and manipulate. They want unthinking blind servants dedicated to them and do not appreciate people who are fully dedicated to the great Shepherd of the sheep and are like Him, who will love others until the cows come home but refuse to compromise on the Lord’s truth or dis their Savior and Shepherd in any way. The Lord said the greatest “leaders” are the greatest SERVANTS.

    The surrender of the final rebellious member of the body—the tongue—and the consequent infilling of the Lord’s Holy Spirit proves that the Holy Spirit has taken up residence in that body. That’s why the 120 in the Upper room were speaking languages they never learned, why they began prophesying though they never had before, and why they were praising their Savior with all the hearts, as a well overflowing.

    The Lord seals His own. He does the choosing. He does the anointing. He does the ordaining. It’s His Kingdom. It’s our job to meet the requirements. Amen.

  2. RJ Dawson says:

    Thanks Scarlett. In the final analysis regarding the present and New Covenant truth, everything regarding such ancestral lines changed with the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus. At that point, it no longer mattered if a person could trace his or her lineage to Abraham, because the Lord taught Paul, who taught us, that one can be an heir along with Abraham, without genealogical descent from him, BY FAITH: “And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.” [Galatians 3:29]

    There was also no longer any need to trace a priesthood lineage back to Aaron, as every real believer and follower of the Lord Jesus becomes a spiritual priest upon being born again. For decades prior to the Lord’s time priests had gained their positions largely through political appointments anyway, for the most part. Also, there was no longer any need to trace out a royal line of kings since the Lord Jesus became the actual King of kings and the only King for all time.

    Additionally, there is no indication in Scripture that the 120 in the Upper Room were “officially” ordained before or after their infilling-of-the-Spirit experience. Paul essentially said his own ministerial credentials were the results that accompanied his ministry:

    I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God. [1Corinthians 2:3-5]

    • Scarlett says:

      Thank you so much for adding this comment Brother Dawson. It’s important to try and understand why the Lord has chosen to deal this way with His people, and…to teach us not to be respecters of persons. He and he alone should get the glory. We are all brethren, loving and respecting one another, but showing no preferential treatment to others or accepting it for ourselves. Men….. Christian, Jewish or not, just can’t seem to resist climbing up that ecclesiastical ladder. It still smacks of Nicolaitanism any way you shake it. The Lord hated it back then and He still hates it. I remember back in the day as a newbie Christian going to a Pentecostal church; my first real church experience….this particular church was big on women preachers and ever so often would “ordain” some new ones. But one night there was an ordination ceremony, and I, as the pariah of the bunch was passed over. At the time, I had a lot of questions running through my mind about a number of church traditions, not just that one. but I went home that night with these things still on my mind, and about some of the women who were chosen that would now be authorized to preach. Anyway, the Lord spoke to me and said something I will never forget; “The Holy Ghost ordains My servants. You are My servant”. That was all..but it spoke volumes to me, and settled many of these questions once and for all.

  3. ror1774 says:

    Thank you for adding that important information.

  4. ror1774 says:

    You make some very good points, not the least of which is that one can not claim to live under the Law and the New Covenant at the same time. Some people can not even pick a side (if you will).

    I think Jonathan Cahn is all about putting CA$H in his own pocket

    • Scarlett says:

      Indeed, and as we know, confusion is not of God. This overweening “Jewishness” of Cahn’s……….. wearing a prayer shawl, blowing Shofars, reading scripture from scrolls, leaning toward the Old Testament Law preferentially is something that doesn’t strike me as being authentically evangelical, no matter what his claims are. For example, in this portion of the Wikipedia bio, he claims/boasts to have received the “Smicha”, or “Semikhah” from a rabbi, which is a type of ordination, according to Jewish tradition some believe traces back to the time of Moses. This seems rather strange to me, that Jonathon Cahn would involve himself in such a procedure, given the fact that first of all, he is not an ethnic Jew, which I believe would necessarily eliminate him from the unbroken chain of authority in rabbinical history, not to mention the fact that as a supposed Christian why indeed would Cahn desire the title of rabbi? New Testament Christians know full well the Levitical priesthood was done away with upon the advent of our High Priest and Captain of salvation the Lord Jesus Christ.
      Thanks for your input and your post on Cahn. God bless and keep up the good work.
      These are just a few of the questions and concerns about this guy Jonathon Cahn and his ambitions, ……..aaaand, when he was outted, why did he not publicly apologize to the public and Christian community for his deception, but rather, seemed to try and cover it up and sweep under the carpet. At least Jimmy Swaggart did that much, to get on TV and admit he had flat out sinned.



      The New Jersey Jewish Standard, in an article that mentioned Cahn, said he “claims to have Orthodox smicha from a rabbi who had joined the messianic movement”.[3]


      Smicha (Hebrew: סמיכה‎, “leaning [of the hands]”), also smichut (Hebrew: סמיכות‎, “ordination”), smicha lerabbanut (Hebrew: סמיכה לרבנות‎, “rabbinical ordination”), or smicha lehazzanut (Hebrew: סמיכה לחזנות‎, “cantorial ordination”) is derived from a Hebrew word which means to “rely on” or “to be authorized”. It generally refers to the ordination of a rabbi or cantor within Judaism.[1] In the former case, it signifies the transmission of rabbinic authority to give advice or judgment in Jewish law. In the latter, it signifies the transmission of authoritative knowledge about Jewish musical and liturgical traditions. Although presently most functioning synagogue rabbis hold semikhah by some rabbinical institution or academy, this was until quite recently not always required, and in fact many Haredi rabbis may not be required to hold a “formal” semikhah even though they may occupy important rabbinical and leadership positions. Some cantorial institutions in the US currently grant semikhah to their students, while others use the term “investiture” to describe the conferral of cantorial authority onto their graduates.[1]

      Classical semikhah refers to a specific type of ordination that, according to traditional Jewish teaching, traces a line of authority back to Moses and the seventy elders. The line of classical semikhah seems to have died out in the 4th or 5th century CE but it is widely held that the line of Torah conferment remains unbroken. Some believe evidence exists that classical semicha was existent during the 12th century when semuchim from Lebanon and Syria were traveling to Israel in order to pass on semikhah to their students.[2] Others, such as Rav Yisroel of Shklov (1770–1839), believed it may not have been broken at all but that it continued outside of the land of Israel. Today many believe in the existence of an unbroken chain of authority dating back to the time of Moses and Joshua[3][4] (See “The Unbroken Chain of Torah” below).

      A third and distinct meaning of semikhah is the laying of hands upon an offering of a korban (“sacrifice”) in the times of the Temple in Jerusalem, see Semicha in sacrifices.

  5. Scarlett says:

    Thanks for posting that very important information, ror1774

    . With me, I have a problem with “graven images”…most Christians don’t see anything wrong with posting pictures of what is supposed to represent the Lord Jesus, but the Lord Himself considered it important enough to make it one of the Ten Commandments. To violate that commandment was considered by the Lord to be idolatry, plain and simple

    In similar brazen fashion, Jonathan Cahn sees nothing wrong with taking on himself the self entitled label of Rabbi………something the Lord Jesus commanded believers NOT to do!

    Cutting to the chase…for all the world Jonathan Cahn looks like and presents himself to be a Jew, a Torah observant Jew. The Apostle Paul had a problem with that and so do I.(If it walks like a duck, etc) I thought, (I know) we are under grace and the New Covenant, but Cahn practices being under the Law. Can’t have his cake and eat it too. He claims to be Christian, but he speaks, teaches Torah observance….like all “Messianics”. I have a problem with this in the same way I have a problem with Glenn Beck….or the Pope, claiming to be Christian.

  6. ror1774 says:

    He made it up: VIDEO Jonathan Cahn, Wrath of God Sept 13, ADMITS His Books, His Jewish Calendar Force Messianic Believers To Deny Jesus Was Messiah. Not surprised the video no longer works. https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/video-jonathan-cahn-wrath-of-god-sept-13-admits-his-books-his-jewish-calendar-force-messianic-believers-to-deny-jesus-was-messiah/

  7. Tony says:

    Did any of these prophets put a timetable on the events they predicted?

    • Scarlett says:

      Which prophets specifically are you referring to Tony?

      • Tony says:

        Johnathan Cahn

      • Scarlett says:

        Well, admittedly I did not buy or read Jonathan khan’s Book, “Harbinger”. or “The Shemitah”, namely because….. “so many books, so little time”…I have to choose selectively what I spend and/or waste my time on. But most importantly, we are, as Christians to heed the admonition in the Psalm 1, “Stand not in the counsel of the ungodly”. Kahn is not a Christian. That being the case, one could say he is ungodly in that he is a sinner in need of repentance and the saving blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Why “Christians” were flocking to buy his books I have no idea. Is not their own bible, the teaching of the Holy Spirit and prayer enough to lead and guide them?
        While in a general sense I can believe that Jonathan Kahn’s so called prophetic warnings may be on the end times agenda for America, I don’t believe he set an “hour and a day”. However, the fact that he even admits that he is leading believers away from the Lord Jesus as Messiah is enough to disqualify him as being a godly prophet, and in fact to qualify him as flatf out anti-Christ.

      • Tony says:

        Jonathan Cahn most definitely is a believing Jew. I saw him goving his testimony on the 700 club of how he gave his life to Jesus. That makes him a messianic Jew. So he is a believer

      • Scarlett says:

        Yes, I suppose technically, Kahn is a believer..(Messianic Jew). However, again, “technically” I might have a real issue with him as a person who by his own admission in his books has tended to lead evangelical Christians away from Jesus as Messiah> That, to me totally disqualifies him as someone who is a godly prophet according to the Lord’s own definitions and/or someone that should be listened to or heeded:


        “One claiming to be prophet, whom I encountered once when I spoke at his Messianic synagogue, is Jonathan Cahn who claims that:

        “the Mystery of the Shemitah and it’s so big that it affects everything we as a people are personally doing and will affect the rise and fall of the United States of America …”

        From two decades of encountering every claiming “prophet” from the Charismatic and Messianic Movements has been a false prophet. I say this without apology. Not once did I ever encounter one of these, that after a brief review, it always turns out they can easily be proven dead false.

        Cahn, like many others who I can write books about, is telling us that because America has not been obedient, that on September 13, 2015 is the 7th and last Shemitah (Sabbath year) in this cycle which will be a year of judgment and reckoning with God Who “might” cause an economic collapse in the U.S.

        The premise of this false-prophecy is extracted by twisting biblical text saying that God uses Sabbath years when He judged the U.S. in the past. All this as it turns out is false as we will explain.”

        There is more on Jonathan Kahn, much more…however, I digress; I believe your original question was “Did any of these prophets put a timetable on the events they predicted?” In regards to Jonathan Kahn….I believe one could say that he loosely alluded to God was going to do this and that according to Jonathan Kahn’s Jewish calendar time frame, and no…none of this as come to pass as predicted because;
        “Mind you, the ancient declaration to Israel is regarding crops in ancient Israel prior to the coming of the Messiah. What these false prophets ignore is that when Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath (Lk. 6:5) made such rules become obsolete (also see Acts 20:7, which Messianic movements seem to ignore) and in one verse debunks the use of these “Sabbaths”:

        So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. (Colossians 2:16-17)

        God did away with “sabbaths” “ceremonies” “new moons” … period. No where does He say that we calculate anything, from Jesus’s second coming to timing when the tribulation comes based on such calculations. You can eat a pepperoni pizza on a Sabbath, even guzzle a beer to wash it down, so long you do not get drunk.

      • Tony says:

        There’s no such thing as one being , “technically “, a believer. Thats luke saying a woman is technically pregnant. Either you are or you are not. I personally have read his books and listened to his sermons and while he is not perfect i have never heard him try to lead Christians away from Jesus. As for the sight you asked me to look at, i see that this person is full of hate and his words are full of venom. Look at what Jamed has to say regarding the subject.

        Jam 4:11 — Jam 4:12

        Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

      • Scarlett says:

        Tony, I have no need or desire to debate or quarrel with you on the issue of Jonathon Kahn’s salvation, whether he is truly a believer, a CINO, or an apostate. The reason being is only God Himself knows for sure whether anyone is saved. Not me, or you…. or just because someone says, even convincingly, that they are.

        Your original comment had to do with whether or not his predictions came to pass, which he hung his word on, claiming to be centered in the very word of God which apparently sold a bunch of books and made a ton of money. Fact remains, his predictions did not come to pass. According to scripture, that makes him a false prophet. not a “brother, and fellow servant“.

        I reread the expose you claim to be full of hate and venom. I didn’t see that at all, and I am frankly not biased one way or another except for the truth. That said, it is not slander if something warned about is the truth. To be clear, Jesus Himself said to judge with righteous judgment

        , as you well know, the scriptures are to be taken in context one with another. Pointing out factually that Kahn’s predictions didn’t come to pass, neither can they or will they according to scripture even be able to come to pass….is not slander, but rather exposing a false prophecy and false prophet.

        That is Brother Christopher’s post was about…What if a prophet’s prophecies don’t come to pass, and why it matters. He brings out why…and that in the OT the remedy for a false prophesy was death by stoning.


      • Tony says:

        I will again respectfully disagree with you Scarlett.

      • Scarlett says:

        That is your prerogative Tony, as well as mine to disagree with you….
        as we are called to peace one with another. 🙂

      • Tony says:

        Amen Scarlet.

  8. Scarlett says:

    And…….the Didache, the early writings of the Apostles, (pre-canon), says if a “prophet” asks for money, he is not a (true) Prophet. There’s a lot of those around nowadays…..even ones that don’t ask for money. That said, I believe it’s much better to listen and be taught by the Word and the Holy Spirit than it is to have your ears tickled by some silver tongued devil.

    Like Kim Clement for example: https://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/kim-clement-false-prophecy/

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