Have you been following a Calvinist teacher? That’s one question…here’s another,
Have you been following a “Closet Calvinist“?
Many Christians have been following Calvinist preachers and teachers in churches and on the Internet many times not even recognizing they are being spoon-fed the heretical teaching of Calvinism, aka “Reformed Theology”.
Below, we have Mike Desario’s powerful video teaching on Calvinists like Kirk Cameron, Ray Comfort, Billy Graham, John McArthur, Ed Young and other false teachers:
Beware of these evil workers who come to you as angels of light;
Ray Comfort is a regular platform speaker at Southern Baptist State Conferences, and his literature is used by the Moody Bible Institute. Both of these institutions are known for teaching the extreme version of eternal security. (http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ray-comfort.htm )
I know for a FACT, there are teachers out there in the Internet, teaching closet Calvinism, and Reformed Theology, (which is nothing more than Calvinism repackaged to deceive people). They won’t come out and tell you they’re Calvinists, lest they loose their disciples, but they will slip in their pernicious doctrines unawares, unless you are on your toes. Beware of them continually slipping in their buzz words, such as all you have to do is, “Trust in the finished work of Christ on the Cross”. C’mon folks! You know very well what Jesus taught! Follow HIM!
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Actually, Christians aren’t supposed to judge unbelievers. Anyway, who has time to check up on Hollywood folks and “celebs”. I guess we’re all inclined to spend a little time celeb watching but as for me, I’m cutting down, and trying to use that time more productively, as like spending more time with the Lord and in His Word.
If you are saying you never sin and can completely keep the Law even to the extent Jesus taught on the sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-6-7) then I want to meet you. And why does 1 John speak of repentance from sin if we do not sin. And then tells us if we keep on sinning we do not know Him and never have. And if I have read my Bible we should as women be homely, poor, and give away everything and follow Him not caring about home, hearth or husband. Yes I do care about
all those things. But am I right to even consider them. Jesus said let the dead bury the dead.
What scares me is after 35 years with Jesus I still I wonder if I am saved. Jesus set the bar so high that it seems unattainable. And without complete obedience to every word He has spoken one cannot enter the Kingdom of God. And He said “few” would. Even walking in with/in the Holy Spirit seems unattainable all the time every moment. This is not my excusing sin in my life. I can honestly say I am not knowingly sinning. But I’m not so sure about the “unknowingly”. Is a little prayer for forgiveness of my sin at night before I go to bed enough? I am equally distressed by the sins of “believers” who cuss, are disrespectful of their husbands/wives, get divorced and remarry, or sleep with their boyfriends, or are gay and think they are Christians. What am I supposed to do to help them when they look at me and say ” we all sin”. Can I say that isn’t true. I’m tired and weary. I feel hopeless and if I take believe what you say is true according to Hebrew 4: and I’ve read it a hundred times then there is no hope without Grace.
Of course not Pam. No one but Jesus ever existed that didn’t sin. or need a Savior. We also don’t follow the Law of Moses. There is always need for repentance. The Scriptures teach us that to continue in unrepentant sin is to make a mockery of the Grace the Lord has given us.
Now, how can you honestly say that we as women should be homely, poor, and give everything away and follow Him, not caring about home, hearth, husband after reading the Love Song of Solomon, or the Proverbs 31 woman and many others that held women in high esteem?
I don’t know where you’ve been going to church or what sort of teachings that have led you to this place in your life, but you seem to be twisting many of the scriptures that were written to help us all, not condemn us. Are you saved? Was the thieve on the cross saved? Jesus didn’t make salvation so hard as to be unattainable. Look at it this way…do you have children? If so, do you expect them to be so perfect they never do anything wrong or need correction? What about this….do you want your children to spend time with you? To love you? To come to you with their needs? Don’t you think the Lord wants us to love Him that way? Is that too much to ask of us?
Maybe your weary and tired because your trying too hard in your own strength and that’s why you feel hopeless. I would lovingly suggest that whatever, or who your listening to, even if it’s a preacher or in a church, to stop, And stop reading commentaries online, even here…and just go apart for a season, and spend some serious quality time with Jesus in prayer and in the Word, and let the Holy Spirit clear out the fog.
Bottom line.. of course, there is no hope without Grace. None of us deserve it, but the Lord chose to grant it to all who believe. Not a license to sin, but the grace to ask forgiveness of sin and be cleansed of all unrighteousness.
I read on another blog, a Calvinist blog, that Billy Graham is not a Calvinist but a “Free Will Gospel” preacher. Which is he: Calvinist or Free Will preacher? From my hearing of his preaching, he seems to be free will. Where did you get your info on Billy Graham?
Dear Rebekah, From my understanding of Billy Graham and the doctrine he has adhered to all these years, he is basically a OnceSavedAlwaysSaved person. He is a SBC Southern Baptist. Southern Baptists seem to have a problem comprehending the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Spiritual gifts, among other things. They tend to believe that once a person confesses belief in the Lord Jesus Christ, that they “get all the Holy Ghost they’re ever going to get”. That is just not factual. Jesus desires that His people have this wonderful experience. It is a gift from Him after all, and will help us greatly in our walk, and lives.
From my understanding of “Free Will” Baptist preaching, I believe they tend to have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit along with the spiritual gifts including speaking in tongues. I don’t believe Billy Graham speaks in tongues or has the baptism of the Holy Ghost from what I’ve gathered by reading his book and listening to his doctrine. That said, he appears to adhere to more of the Calvinist doctrine as do most SBC Baptists.
Where did I get my info on Billy Graham you asked? From much study of the bible, and much prayer, and from not taking up one man, doctrine or denomination as my teacher, but rather the Holy Spirit as we are commanded to, for indeed, there is a snare in allowing a mere man to teach us. For what more can we learn about Jesus from a man, than we can learn from the Lord Jesus Himself, and His Word, as commanded. As He said Himself, to those who believed, (that’s you and me too, Rebekah):
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8
Thank you for your inquiry and visit to the blog.
May the Lord Jesus Bless you with all Spiritual knowledge and understanding in these matters concerning Him,
In the Love of Jesus,
Scarlett
I agree that Billy Graham believes in “once saved always saved.” I do not think this makes him a Calvinist. There are many more attributes of a Calvinist then just believing once you accept Jesus you are saved forever. I have never heard him say he believes in predestination and never heard him say that Jesus’ shed blood was only for the elect or that God elects some for heaven and some for hell. I have heard him preach that salvation is for all who believe and accept Jesus into their life. Thank you for the reply.
Hi Rebekah, Love in the Lord Jesus,
Yes, I agree there are more aspects of Calvinism than the “once saved always saved” or “Eternal Security Doctrine as it’s known, but IF Calvinists and/or Baptists and others, including Billy Graham are wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? Let’s look at what the scripture says about “once saved always saved”.
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For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
(Hebrews 6:4-6)
Every word of scripture is the inspired word of God. I hope you also believe this. Therefore, we only want to understand what the text says. In teaching, we are only expounding on the text. This sounds obvious, but it’s not so obvious to many. Now, in interpreting scripture, if anyone questions any text, as in the above text, they need to prove what it actually means. They can’t go off on a rabbit trail, as much as that would entertain their puffed up mind, the onus is on them to prove that it doesn’t mean what it says.
Let’s look at this text. Referring to people who “were once enlightened”, “tasted of the heavenly gift”, and were “partakers of the Holy Spirit”, “tasted the good word of God” and “the powers of the world to come” … Already this puts these people far ahead of many church goers today, who’ve never had any of what’s described here.
Now, if you interpret this to mean they were never saved, that they had the Holy Spirit indwelling them but they were never saved, then please intelligently explain from scripture how someone can have received the Holy Spirit and yet not be saved? Over to you. Please explain this new doctrine. Then, the rabbit trail begins. If you propose a new doctrine, and that’s what it is, you need to prove it from scripture.
So i say to them, no, you have to engage and discuss solely on what the scripture says. It says here it is impossible for those who have fallen away to come back. You say it is impossible for them to fall away.
Now, some have said that this refers to Jews, whom God supposedly treats differently to Gentiles. No, salvation is the same for Jew or Gentile, it makes no difference. If it refers to Jews who receive the Holy Spirit and fall away it makes no difference to the meaning of the text.
So, what i’m really addressing here is the PROCESS of making sense of scripture. There are rules for intelligent discussion. I can only deal with the text. As soon as one refuses to discuss the text it’s discussion over. We can’t have a meaningful discussion with anyone who avoids dealing with the text.
Can you have a fruitful discussion with one who purposely avoids dealing with the text? No”.
Jesus bless you,
Scarlett
Exo 20:16 (20:13) ט “Do not give false evidence against your neighbor.
this is not just relating to false information but to slander,
This would be true, of course, however, if it is the truth, then it’s not slander. Unfortunately, Christians as well as unbelievers are at offs about what truth is.
God bless you….
Exo 20:17 (20:14) י “Do not covet your neighbor’s house; do not covet your neighbor’s wife, his male or female slave, his ox, his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
The rich man was not guilty of breaking this, if he were he would have to covet somebody else’s riches..
That may be possibly true for some rich men, but there seems to be some wealthy people that never cease in not only coveting the riches of others, but scheming to steal their riches. Hence the Lord Jesus admonition, “The Love of money is the root of all evil”.
This man teaches a relative interpretation of the bible putting down another who does the same..
As for me, in the case of Mike DeSario, there are several points of his doctrine that I don’t subscribe to. Nevertheless, there are two highly relative points of doctrine that he continually stresses; one is the need for complete repentance, and the 2nd being not subscribing to the “once saved always saved” Calvinist/Southern Baptist/ hyper-grace camp.
As for those men “teaching a relative interpretation of the bible putting down another one who does the same thing”, that would be true of about 95 percent of Christendom unfortunately. That said, what we as Christians truly need is more bible study under the teaching of the Holy Spirit, more fervent prayer, and obedience of Jesus commandments, and taking up our own cross and following him, rather than these teachers, no matter how popular they are.
Shalom and blessings in Jesus,
Scarlett
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Otherwise, I like Desario because he nails these Calvinist clowns heresies to the wall. He clearly and scripturally tears their man made doctrines to shreds with the Word of God spoken in truth.
I don’t see how anyone can miss how “off” these guys are in their teachings. Well, I guess it’s because they tend to follow man, instead of doing serious study of their bibles.
The HUGE problem I have with Mike Desario is that he teaches to clean up your sins BEFORE coming to Jesus. That would appear to me to be “self-righteousness”. Anyway, no one can clean up their own sins, even if they tried. It takes the blood of Jesus to do that.
I don’t think Ed Young holds to Calvinism. Can you give me your sources that say Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron hold to Calvinism?
Here would be one source online, Mike DeSario. Mike has some great video teachings on YouTube. Pulls no punches, makes no excuses and tells it like it is.
http://www.standingthegap.blogspot.com/
List of false teachers:
http://standingthegap.org/False%20Teachers%20Page.htm
Thanks for stopping by.
Jesus bless you,
Scarlett
I have just come across Mike DeSario’s teachings and they are spot on; brilliant. I’m busy going through them and for the first time in my ‘born again’ life I have learnt to love God by obeying Him wholly and completely. I too was one of the OSAS folk and had I died I would have gone to hell. Through Mike’s teaching God opened my eyes and at long last I am living His way; the only way. God bless you Mike.
Joe, Check out Mike Desario’s 2nd vid I posted here. Ed Young is one of the first clips shown. What comes out of his mouth is pure Calvinist heresy. It’s a same that people are being so deceived by this wolf.
“but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”
There’s that little “IF” again.
There is a Cross to take up, and a Jordan to cross.
Well said Scarlett…….I’ve been there!
and GOD can graft them back in.