The following is a reblog from the FLEEBABYLON post published several months before Tom White’s death on the heels of the investigation of a molestation charge of a 10 yr old girl.
I must admit, I too have been in a quandary about VOM, and have decided to withdraw my support from them. This has been a hard decision because of knowing the good they do. However, it is my feeling that the “good” they do, does not and cannot outweigh the very serious issues concerning the obvious ecumenism VOM has been wading in. Ecumenism is one of the most dangerous issues facing Christianity today, and must not be condoned or supported by the Christian community if they want to obey Jesus Christ, and keep the real Body of Christ, and the gospel of Jesus Christ pure and undiluted with leaven.
May Jesus bless those who stand for the uncompromising truth~
The hypocritical voice of the martyrs | January 4, 2012
I find it ironic that the voice of the martyrs supports the roman catholic ‘church’ considering the great whore has been responsible for shedding the blood of so many saints down through the ages. Many stories in their own book “Jesus Freaks” (that I cherish) are about the Roman and English religious institutions murdering true saints. They don’t usually tell you that though and subtly leave believers with the impression that it was some nasty communist or muslim committing the murder. I hope VOM will be more consistent and start supporting persecuted communists and muslims too along with their support of roman catholics.
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Amen brother, I once seriously considered supporting them, but I found it hard once I saw the idols they sell as well. Our brothers and sisters who are under persecution really need prayers and also support, I would also really like to see them drop any ecumenical visions. Something else that has concerned me is that some of the persecuted are Catholic. Much of the world sees Catholicism as Christian and so willfully bring harm on both groups.
Comment by Al — January 5, 2012 @ 1:03 am
So did you read something recently that prompted your post?
I had an email discussion with VOM a while back regarding them calling Catholics “brethren” on their website. After our email conversation they took off the words “brethren” and put “believers”. Same thing in my book. So then I went to a VOM conference that was near me and spoke with Tom White. He basically said that Catholics were believers and that Richard Wumbrand was in prison with a Catholic believer. He wasn’t really changing his view of them. He said that basically the bottom line was the if Catholics are persecuted and need bibles, they will send them to them.
I have no problem with them sending Catholics bibles. They should just send some pamphlet or tracts that exposes Catholicism and calls them to genuine repentance and faith.
The tough part about VOM is that they do support a lot of real persecuted brethren in different countries. Every now and then I read their monthly magazine. I want to help but if you do, you end up supporting an organization that embraces a false religion. So I don’t. Unfortunately there’s not a lot of options when it comes to supporting organizations that support persecuted brethren. Thankfully there are a few.
Comment by Sean Scott — January 5, 2012 @ 1:36 am
I am doing a lot of research on the translation of the KJV Bible, which lead me to persecution,from the Church of England and Rome, that lead me back to VOM, which I stopped supporting quite some time ago.
“He basically said that Catholics were believers and that Richard Wumbrand was in prison with a Catholic believer.”
I know, I am not sure if you and I have talked about this before, but I am glad that he was not in prison with a mormon believer who was being persecuted for “the faith” along with him. I dare not say anything else against VOM or RW. VOM has been approached by others besides you and they seem to have tried to sweep this issue under the rug and hope it goes away. Because of the ecumenical spirit of the age nobody seems to really care anyway.
There are other places that help persecuted brethren, though what bothers me most is that I would love to support VOM if they repent of the error. They do a lot for sure for true brethren.
Comment by fleebabylon — January 5, 2012 @ 1:54 am
Check out this link directly to Voice Of The Martyr blog if you have any doubts that they
1) Consider catholics to be our brethen in Christ
2) Consider the catholic ‘church’ be a valid expression of the church of Jesus Christ
or if you dont have a lot of time just visit here:
“Father Nguyen Van Ly, 65, a Catholic priest sentenced to eight years in prison in 2007, remains seriously ill, reports Human Rights Watch…
Pray that Father Ly will know the Lord’s care and provision in his life.
Pray that the charges against Father Ly will be dropped. Pray for his healing.
Pray that Father Ly’s testimony will embolden other Vietnamese Christians.
Pray that religious freedom and human rights will be respected in Vietnam.
Comment by fleebabylon — January 5, 2012 @ 3:51 am
“When I was in prison, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Baptists, Pentecostals and Adventists were all in the same cells and endured the same atrocities. Instead of arguing about less important things, we united in love and prayer for the killers, and we used every occasion to tell our torturers about Christ.”
-Richard Wurmbrand, May 1989 The Voice of the Martyrs newsletter
Comment by fleebabylon — January 5, 2012 @ 4:08 am
Better to be divided by truth than united by lies.
Comment by fleebabylon — January 5, 2012 @ 8:31 pm
Then I guess the point is not whether an individual suffers for Jesus, but which Jesus he or she suffers for, be it Mormon, Catholic, etc. Mathew 7:21-22 comes to mind.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Probably the scariest verses in the Bible to me.
Comment by Al — January 5, 2012 @ 12:18 pm
Comment by fleebabylon — January 6, 2012 @ 4:22 pm
I feel pretty bad having to say these things about VOM – its like coming against grandmas apple pie.
I wanted to leave this one on a high note and say that Heavens Family does a lot of good for persecuted brethren.
Comment by fleebabylon — January 11, 2012 @ 3:23 am
Thanks for posting that link, I’ve never heard of them before. What a beautiful, loving, helpful looking group this is! Caring for the needy brethren! thank you
Comment by Loretta — January 12, 2012 @ 7:00 am
I had the chance to meet David and fellowship with him a couple of years back. Some good brethren of mine have been able to minister over seas with him too. Awesome testimony how the Lord brought him out of the AOG prosperity to start heavens family.
God bless you sister.
Comment by fleebabylon — January 21, 2012 @ 1:48 am
Smug jim and his collection of haters,
Perhaps you should consider your witness to the watching world and go do something for the kingdom of God- even if all you can do is shut up.
The house divided cannot stand…
Comment by Dave Tinberg — January 17, 2012 @ 2:47 pm
“Smug jim and his collection of haters”
Simply shameful dear pastor.
“Perhaps you should consider your witness to the watching world”
I touched on your golden calf (or should I say cash cow) over at the christianity today article huh? The world already knows that modern christendom is apostate, it is only her victims that are given over to strong delusion and believe the lie.
“The house divided cannot stand…”
And that is the main point. You are playing the hypocrite – being the “senior pastor” (chapter and verse please) of a denominational church who by definition divides the visible church into schisms. I hope you will take the time to consider this plain fact and also to read my testimony of how Jesus saved me from the AOG denomination.
Plus – here is a friend’s testimony who used to be an AOG teacher. He probably had more teachings on giving at one time than even you currently have on your website (again, shameful sir). This is a quick 30 minute testimony he gave about how God saved him from AOG from a pastor’s perspective. he now serves the body of Christ through Heavens Family, mentioned previously on this thread.
Thank you for stopping by.
Comment by fleebabylon — January 17, 2012 @ 7:21 pm
It’s shameful that VOM endorses Roman Catholicism. Period.
They could ask for prayer for persecuted Catholics (for their salvation) without endorsing them.
This goes back to Richard Wurmbrand, whom as far as i know, believed in transubstantiation, which was a common bond he had with Catholics.
I also read “Jesus Freaks” and was moved by it, but i also noted, as Jim did, that they removed every reference to the Catholic Church as the persecutor. Why?
Are they afraid that “pastors” like Dave Tinburg will stop supporting them if they tell the truth about Catholicism?
So ithe bottom-line is simply money?
That to keep your income from the “ministry” coming in you need to keep your supporters happy?
Dave Tinsburg, i find your accusations hateful and distasteful
Comment by ian vincent — January 20, 2012 @ 12:46 am
The only issue I have with VOM is that they count cultures who are traditional christian as christian when ‘persecution’ breaks out and speaks of them as christians being persecuted when that isn’t necessarily the case. That is the way I see it anyway.
Comment by JW — February 16, 2012 @ 11:17 pm
We got the animated video from VOM, “Jesus: He lived among us”, and while i believe it’s good for kids and anyone to learn something from, it has a loose approach to the Scriptures, and misquotes Jesus in a few places, quite blatantly. Their reasoning for this baffles me.
Recently i met a believer here in Shillong who met brother Richard when he came here years ago. He just dropped in at the place he and his wife were staying in the early morning, and Richard asked him to join them for breakfast. As this brother was leaving, Richard reached into his bag and gave this brother a tiny piece of communion bread, which he had saved and kept to give as a blessing.
It’s so sad that a brother like that could suffer so much for Jesus name and yet still be superstitious.
Comment by ian vincent — February 18, 2012 @ 1:03 am
Here’s a critique i did on an article by Richard Wurmbrand 4 years ago:
Comment by ian vincent — February 22, 2012 @ 9:44 am
If you want to know how deceived VOM is an organization, and how badly the leaven has worked its way through them, consider their recent post titled “Myths about anti-Christian persecution”.
What misconceptions have you heard or had about the persecuted Church?
John L. Allen Jr. recently highlighted in the National Catholic Reporter what he believes are five myths about anti-Christian persecution. Below are excerpts from his article.
Jim again – so VOM not only endorses catholicism but is now using it as an authoritative source to explain to us about true persecution. This is beyond words. Truth has fallen in the streets.
Comment by fleebabylon — March 26, 2012 @ 9:08 pm
One more from the main VOM blog
Comment by fleebabylon — March 26, 2012 @ 9:19 pm
Since when is someone ruining a picture of a catholic idol “persecution”. I guess Asa was persecuting the jews in the eyes of VOM.
2Ch 14:2 And Asa did what was good and right in the eyes of the LORD his God. He took away the foreign altars and the high places and broke down the pillars and cut down the Asherim
May 25, 2010
Catholic Church in Maywood Vandalized, Called a Hate Crime
Stacy L. Harp
May 25, 2010
We’ve covered numerous churches in recent days that have been either set on fire, or burglarized or vandalized. Today we have a sad story about a Catholic Church in the Los Angeles area, that has been vandalized with the number 666 being scrawled in the kitchen, a knife being stabbed into a picture of the Virgin of Guadalupe and then someone had defecated in the sanctuary.
The Catholic Church is calling this a hate crime and police are investigating. Click here to read more.
Posted in Christian Persecution
Comment by fleebabylon — April 23, 2012 @ 9:00 pm
“vandalized with the number 666 being scrawled in the kitchen”
reminds me of ichabod being written on the wall
“, a knife being stabbed into a picture of the Virgin of Guadalupe ”
and the idols destroyed
“and then someone had defecated in the sanctuary.”
much less of an abomination than the weekly mass
Filed under christian persecution?
Comment by fleebabylon — April 24, 2012 @ 3:30 am
Voice of Martyrs, Tom White, Dies Under Tragic Circumstances
The Voice of the Martyrs statement concerning the death of Tom White:
The events of the last week are tragic. On Wednesday we learned that Tom White, VOM’s executive director, had died.
Allegations were made to authorities this week that Tom had inappropriate contact with a young girl. Rather than face those allegations, and all of the resulting fallout for his family and this ministry and himself, Tom appears to have chosen to take his own life.
None of those in leadership at VOM, including our Board of Directors, were aware of these allegations at the time of Tom’s death.
There is no doubt that Tom cared about his wife, his children and his grandchildren. And there’s no doubt that he cared about VOM.
We are deeply saddened by these events. Our hearts are broken.
However, the work that God has called VOM to do is bigger than any one of us. There are persecuted Christians who need our help. The legal process will go forward, and we will continue serving with our persecuted brothers and sisters.
We appreciate the many who are praying for our work, and we encourage you to join us in praying for Tom’s family during this difficult time, as well as the family of the alleged victim.
A letter from VOM’s president will be posted on our web site, http://www.Persecution.com, next week. (source)
This was the guy who believed that lost catholics are saved.
People should fear God.
VOM should take note was God is saying thru this.
Comment by ian vincent — April 26, 2012 @ 1:49 am
I am waiting to find out more before I comment on that Ian…
Comment by fleebabylon — April 27, 2012 @ 9:10 pm